CSM Ignorance: Our Worst Enemy

“Nothing in the world is more dangerous then a sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.” -MLK

And in our case, nothing is more dangerous to us, the player base of EVE Online then an ignorant and almost stupid CSM.

Let's take the case in point.

I was reading over the minutes and found some shocking information within. Allow me to share. First, I'll direct you to Jester's blog, as he writes about the CSM ignorance and stupidity regarding the Art department. Since he's pretty much saying what I would say, I'm not going to bother to type it out, as he has already put it as eloquently as can be done. And correctly, I should add.

Which is good, because it allows me to focus on the truly shocking thing for us wormhole residents. A direct attack by the ignorant CSM on our space.

First, I'll allow you to read. Then, the analysis and virtual slap upside several of CSM egos and dreams. First, the part on page 27 of the CSM minutes.

CCP talked about removing ABC (Arkonor, Bistot and Crokite) mining sites from wormhole space at some point in the future. This may be from all wormholes, or possibly from lower class wormholes only. It was claimed by some members of the CSM that a large fraction of the high end ore supply is produced through these sites, however the CSMs who were active in wormholes would not accept this claim without hard data to back it up.

Then later, on page 29:

Based on the comments by CCP Grayscale in a previous session, the subject of removing "ABC" minerals from wormholes was raised by nullsec-resident CSMs, who were suprised to learn that WH space was nullsec, and that ABC minerals were available in them. They favored entirely removing ABC from WH space - or limiting them to C5 or C6 holes - but the two wormhole-resident CSMs objected strongly, pointing out that exporting minerals from deep wormhole space was difficult, and much of it was likely consumed locally.

An argument was made by some CSMs that the prices of ABC ores and refined products were being crashed by "daytrippers" mining in easily-accessible wormhole space; other CSMs stated that no nerfing of ABC minerals should take place without first obtaining detailed statistics about the balance of trade for each mineral and class of wormhole.

And a little while later on page 31:

The CSM, with the exception of two members, is irked at the idea of high value ores being mined in low-end wormholes distorting the market. CCP Zulu mentioned that he considers this 'retarded' and that this will be looked into. In class 5 or 6 wormholes the position is more nuanced, and the CSM acknowledged that these minerals could be used for local production, and that they are too far from the market to distort it.

Whew.

And you wonder why I called for balance on the CSM. Thank the EVE gods there were at least two people with a fucking brain in that meeting. I'm pretty sure one of them is Two-Step, the only member of CSM that I know of as being in wormhole space as a member of A-HARM. The other one I don't know who it is. But I thank you for speaking out. Seriously.

The rest of you... Shame. Shame on you for your ignorance.

“It was claimed by some members of the CSM that a large fraction of the high end ore supply is produced through these sites.”

Seriously null bears?

And your experience in WH space is what? Extensive? Have you ever seen an asteroid belt in WH space? Oh that's right, you haven't. Of course they don't appear on your overview. Silly me.

Clearly they must not exist. So that means a shitton of ore must be coming from WH space. You know, 2499 systems that all together have slightly more population then low sec. Yeah. Those wormhole bastards are out-mining your RMT bots. Sorry.

The best part is the following: “Based on the comments by CCP Grayscale in a previous session, the subject of removing "ABC" minerals from wormholes was raised by nullsec-resident CSMs, who were suprised to learn that WH space was nullsec, and that ABC minerals were available in them. They favored entirely removing ABC from WH space.”

That pretty much is the definition of ignorance. Let's see, you were surprised to learn that wormhole space was nullsec? And suddenly this makes you an expert on how much ore is in there? And further this then gives you right to demand a wrong be righted?

This supposed removal of ABC ore wasn't even on CCP's radar. Let me repeat that. The “supposed” removal of ABC ore was not something CCP was running past CSM. No, we have our dumbshit Null-sec resident CSM members to thank for this one. I can just see how this one went down. Allow me some creative licensing here.

CSM Null Bear: So CCP, what are you going to do about ABC ore in wormhole space?

CCP: Uh, what?

CSM Null Bear: I noticed a 33.3%, repeating of course, drop in our profit margin on our RMT mining bots. I was told wormhole space has entire fields of nothing but ABC ore.

Two-Step: Uh... what?

CCP: Um, you do realize wormhole space is null security space right?

CSM Null Bear: I.. uh... what? Null security space? WTF. I demand they lose their ABC ore.

Two-Step: Wait a minute...

CSM Null Bear: Shut up bitch, the grown-ups are talking. You're just an alternate.

(awkward silence)

CCP: Um, you want what?

CSM Null Bear: You heard me. Remove that ore or I take away my RMT bots and your game's economy crashes. They shouldn't have access to that, and its taking away from my profit margin.

CCP: Right away sir! Excellent idea!

Apparently according to the Null sec residents who have apparently never set foot in a wormhole (it must be the lack of local, it's scary-scary!!) there are just great fields of ABC asteroids as far as the eye can see. We here in wormholes can mine this stuff without worrying about reds jumping us because its super safe here. And then we all caravan it out in one hop easy exits that never change and bring it to our favorite market of choice.

I can see the guys with wormhole experience chuckling here. Meanwhile, Null Sec residents are like... “What's so funny about that????? Its true!!!”

Let's see. If I remember my last mining op, it was way back when I used to live in a C4. Our best mining field that had ABC ore had exactly 1 rock of Arkonor, 1 rock of Bistot, and 3 rocks of Crokite. And when I say rocks, I truly mean rocks. I had to zoom the camera in all the way to see them. Hell my Incursus hull was bigger then the rock. Let's just say I wasn't landing the Millennium Falcon in them.

Oh and giant Trit and Omber roids. Not exactly a fucking field as far as the eye can see of ABC ore.

And just to set the record straight Null Sec guy, we don't get jumped by reds who nicely show themselves in local first. We get jumped by people who are not red, but blow us up all the same. And we don't caravan it out. We fucking sneak that shit out so that our neighbors don't get any funny ideas like bombing us to hell and back. Or setting up check points. With HICs. Yes, bubbles work here. Idiot.

And we don't always have an easy exit. Its not like null sec 6 jumps through bridges and we're there! Some days its more then 6 jumps. Some days its 2 jumps. Some days we have a good exit to a system one jump from Jita. Other times we have a shit exit in low sec that is 10 jumps from anything resembling high security space. And depending on how deep we are in WH space, it could even be longer.

“An argument was made by some CSMs that the prices of ABC ores and refined products were being crashed by "daytrippers" mining in easily-accessible wormhole space.” and “The CSM, with the exception of two members, is irked at the idea of high value ores being mined in low-end wormholes distorting the market.”

Newsflash idiots.

First of all, there is no “easily-accessible” wormhole space. And those low security holes have so little ABC ore its not going to "dent" the market. Secondly, those “easily-accessible” holes you seem to be so fucking worried about are often very high traffic zones, as those of us living deep in C5s and C6s have to travel through them to get out. And since those of us who live in those deep holes enjoy a good gank as much as people in low sec do, we take every opportunity to do so. “Safe” mining in wormholes is a fallacy. And those that do manage it probably don't pull as much ore out as you think.

What “distorts” your precious RMT market Null Bear is the fact that we often save that ore for several days and bring it all out at once. Wormhole corps will store it, refine it, and when the sun finally shines on them that once a week or month where they have a good exit not camped by active, angry russians, they take advantage of it. By bringing it all out. Weeks and months worth of ore. And sleeper components. And T3 hulls and subs. And whatever the hell else we need to clear out and sell. Then we unceremoniously dump it off at the nearest major trade hub we find. It is that dumping that “distorts” your market.

Deal with it.

I'm sorry your money making things are getting nerfed. Don't take it out on us. We actually use that stuff. Did you think those T3's just appeared out of thin air? Many a wormhole corporation is proudly self-sufficient and works hard to make those T3's for you to buy and blow up.

To the two of you CSM members who rightly were arguing reason I salute you. To the rest of you I humbly suggest you pull your heads out of your collective asses before demanding change you know nothing about.

I'm not even mad.  Just sad really.  It saddens me that such ignorance runs rampant on the CSM.  I would tell you to contact your local CSM rep and let them know of your outrage, but I'm sure they are all unavailable for comment in null sec.